Comments on: Don’t Trim the Airplane http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/ Exercise Your License to Learn Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:36:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Shamwow Videos http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/comment-page-1/#comment-2795 Shamwow Videos Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:14:53 +0000 http://www.aviationchatter.com/?p=1395#comment-2795 Hey hun, great website post. Do you have an rss feed that I can put on my homepage? Hey hun, great website post. Do you have an rss feed that I can put on my homepage?

]]> By: Sylvia http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/comment-page-1/#comment-2223 Sylvia Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:11:26 +0000 http://www.aviationchatter.com/?p=1395#comment-2223 I was taught to trim directly after going into the steep turn (so with the correct attitude, very quickly trimming to ease the pressure) but you are right, I have a tendency to climb out of a steep turn. I'll have to try without. Actually, I should be practicing my General Handling anyway - it's been months since I even tried a steep turn! When I was learning to fly (in a Cessna 172) I really struggled with the flare. I was having difficulty with the precision. I either didn't flare or (more often) I would overcompensate and balloon right back up. In the end one of the instructors at the school I was training at mentioned that I might want to consider throwing myself out of trim for final approach. I would set the plane up so that I needed to keep downward pressure on the control and in the flare, effectively I would stop doing so. I'm not explaining it very well but the effect was that I had been almost "tugging" to get the plane flat and with it trimmed for the flare, I didn't have to do that. I have to admit that I like the Piper a lot better in that respect, it responds much more to a gentle hand. I was taught to trim directly after going into the steep turn (so with the correct attitude, very quickly trimming to ease the pressure) but you are right, I have a tendency to climb out of a steep turn. I’ll have to try without. Actually, I should be practicing my General Handling anyway – it’s been months since I even tried a steep turn!

When I was learning to fly (in a Cessna 172) I really struggled with the flare. I was having difficulty with the precision. I either didn’t flare or (more often) I would overcompensate and balloon right back up. In the end one of the instructors at the school I was training at mentioned that I might want to consider throwing myself out of trim for final approach. I would set the plane up so that I needed to keep downward pressure on the control and in the flare, effectively I would stop doing so.

I’m not explaining it very well but the effect was that I had been almost “tugging” to get the plane flat and with it trimmed for the flare, I didn’t have to do that.

I have to admit that I like the Piper a lot better in that respect, it responds much more to a gentle hand.

]]> By: Patrick Flannigan http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/comment-page-1/#comment-2203 Patrick Flannigan Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:43:28 +0000 http://www.aviationchatter.com/?p=1395#comment-2203 I think Vincent was talking about intentionally trimming for a stall during normal operations: ie: the "stall phase of flight," not a demonstrated stall for the checkride. I do prefer to throw some trim in for stalls so I don't drop the nose too much on recovery. In fact I don't think I've ever tried a stall without changing the trim from level cruise flight. Maybe I'll give it a shot next time I go up in the Cessna. I think Vincent was talking about intentionally trimming for a stall during normal operations: ie: the “stall phase of flight,” not a demonstrated stall for the checkride. I do prefer to throw some trim in for stalls so I don’t drop the nose too much on recovery. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever tried a stall without changing the trim from level cruise flight. Maybe I’ll give it a shot next time I go up in the Cessna.

]]> By: Matt http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/comment-page-1/#comment-2202 Matt Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:49:48 +0000 http://www.aviationchatter.com/?p=1395#comment-2202 Vincent, I'm on the fence about trimming for a stall. I can see where you are coming from as we should just be trimming for a phase of flight before entering a stall, but at the same time a student needs to be aware of how much force might be required should they need to overcome an elevator trim stall. This particular kind of stall is actually part of the CFI PTS. Vincent,
I’m on the fence about trimming for a stall. I can see where you are coming from as we should just be trimming for a phase of flight before entering a stall, but at the same time a student needs to be aware of how much force might be required should they need to overcome an elevator trim stall. This particular kind of stall is actually part of the CFI PTS.

]]> By: Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net http://www.aviationchatter.com/2009/09/dont-trim-the-airplane/comment-page-1/#comment-2201 Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:28:59 +0000 http://www.aviationchatter.com/?p=1395#comment-2201 I fully agree with that. Trimming for all phases of flight... In real life. Not for exercises. Can you imagine trimming for a stall? I fully agree with that. Trimming for all phases of flight… In real life. Not for exercises. Can you imagine trimming for a stall?

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